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Homeowner questions home-repair rules in Cleveland's historic districts
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Denise A@cleDocumenter
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Hey #Cleveland I had the pleasure of getting assigned to the #ClevelandLandmarksCommission by @cledocumenters
#cledocumenters @signalcleveland this is the preamble
#cledocumenters @signalcleveland this is the preamble
09:44 AM Mar 29, 2024 CDT
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Roll call, this was chaired by Bob Strickland Vice Chairman
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Certificate of Appropriateness is next
There are also staff from the law department present! First case is the Cultural Gardens in Ward 9
There are also staff from the law department present! First case is the Cultural Gardens in Ward 9
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This deals with the repair of the Ghandi statue Mario Stone is the presenter
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Evan Champagne is the presenter for the stone company this is the location in the park
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This is the statue in the area the base and cap base is the areas of replacement.
The current situation shows wear and tear
The current situation shows wear and tear
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Permits are obtained from the city. A crane is required to remove the statue
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The new base will be grey granite it will be 9".
It will be sealed to help resist UV and weather
Then the statue will be reinstalled
They have insurance for the project
Fees for the project are as follows: crane is going to be additional
It will be sealed to help resist UV and weather
Then the statue will be reinstalled
They have insurance for the project
Fees for the project are as follows: crane is going to be additional
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Motion made and passed with conditions
Next up Ward 15 Gordon Park
Next up Ward 15 Gordon Park
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This is a Pocket Park
This has been seen 6 times over the last 3years
The issue today is about landscaping.. last seen in July, 2023
This has been seen 6 times over the last 3years
The issue today is about landscaping.. last seen in July, 2023
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Redesigning has occurred with changes to the fencing and the forever lawn
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There's a space for dogs as well
Visual effects are in the landscaping to separate the people in the park from the General traffic
This is a mature idea of the project
Visual effects are in the landscaping to separate the people in the park from the General traffic
This is a mature idea of the project
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Several different types of plans were presented in prior Meetings.
Mr Brunjes spoke to the current situation about an illegal dog park area being used
Fencing and other things were not granted
And this is the current situation
Mr Brunjes spoke to the current situation about an illegal dog park area being used
Fencing and other things were not granted
And this is the current situation
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Bench seating is also discussed
Astroturf and the dog part is spoken to
Conditions were to be reviewed
Strickland spoke about a neighbor across from the project and the person having to reverse his unapproved actions
Astroturf and the dog part is spoken to
Conditions were to be reviewed
Strickland spoke about a neighbor across from the project and the person having to reverse his unapproved actions
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Gray #Ward4 asked whether it's a dog or people park
The answer was it is both...
Her further questions were about the dog part
Michele Anderson questioned about Green plants year round
The plants pictured were approved prior
She agrees to the dog part
The answer was it is both...
Her further questions were about the dog part
Michele Anderson questioned about Green plants year round
The plants pictured were approved prior
She agrees to the dog part
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This is a public space the presenter said
Strickland asked about the greenspace footage
He thinks that the project is fantastic..
However it is disappointing to see the unapproved actions
The presenter took full responsibility
Strickland asked about the greenspace footage
He thinks that the project is fantastic..
However it is disappointing to see the unapproved actions
The presenter took full responsibility
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Joyce Huang spoke to the possible purpose of a public dog park
She compared Detroit Michigan
And similar places
More discussion from Councilwoman Gray and her experience with the installation of a dog park in her ward near the tennis court
She compared Detroit Michigan
And similar places
More discussion from Councilwoman Gray and her experience with the installation of a dog park in her ward near the tennis court
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Anderson agreed with the idea
Strickland suggested tabling the project
So moved
Next Mr Bernard Chambers
And ward 15
Strickland suggested tabling the project
So moved
Next Mr Bernard Chambers
And ward 15
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The owner wants to add room renovation to his structure
The main work in the rear of the house
The main work in the rear of the house
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The plan is to make a 2 story foyer and a walkin closet for the bedroom
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This is the rear and the space for a one story additional
Vinyl siding is planned
The renderings show the plan
Vinyl siding is planned
The renderings show the plan
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The garage is going to be increased from 1 to 2 cars
Design review
Design review
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Vertical vs horizontal siding seems to be a great deal
As well color
More from the Landmark staff
As well color
More from the Landmark staff
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Appropriate materials are discussed
Railing materials are discussed as to what they feel is desirable
Questions from the commission
Including their preferences were voiced
Vinyl is used currently but the person feels that other materials on the front..
Railing materials are discussed as to what they feel is desirable
Questions from the commission
Including their preferences were voiced
Vinyl is used currently but the person feels that other materials on the front..
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He also has no problem with the front plans..but the front bedroom should be reconfigured in his opinion
Mr Chambers made the point that the rooms are already small. Those ideas presented doesn't make sense for him..
The suggestion of moving the br
Back
Mr Chambers made the point that the rooms are already small. Those ideas presented doesn't make sense for him..
The suggestion of moving the br
Back
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Mr Chambers made the point of discussing the sizes of the current rooms.. he would sell the house... his desire is to add value.. the idea of materials suggested is not going to be noticed from the outside.
When he purchased the house no one spoke about
When he purchased the house no one spoke about
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Looks vs maintenance is a factor.. Chambers said
Michele Anderson spoke to the standards of the area. She agrees with the design review committee as well staff. The rear improvement is ok with her.
Siding is not appropriate in her opinion
Michele Anderson spoke to the standards of the area. She agrees with the design review committee as well staff. The rear improvement is ok with her.
Siding is not appropriate in her opinion
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These standards do apply
Colors should be done according to the color pallets that sherwin Williams has Anderson said.
Mr Sanberry agrees with the design review and Mr Loeser who spoke earlier. Moving the master to the rear he advised
Colors should be done according to the color pallets that sherwin Williams has Anderson said.
Mr Sanberry agrees with the design review and Mr Loeser who spoke earlier. Moving the master to the rear he advised
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Mr Chambers said the those suggestions would greatly increase the budget for renovations his company is planning on there should be a handbook etc to warn prospective buyers about the constraints he has already been in front of other places
Matter of opinion
Matter of opinion
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It doesn't make it fair to entertain your opinions Chambers said
Strickland said the seller and agent should tell buyers
Secretary of standards have to be enforced..
Chambers said he wasn't aware until now
Strickland said the seller and agent should tell buyers
Secretary of standards have to be enforced..
Chambers said he wasn't aware until now
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Regennia Williams reiterated the project has been in front of several places.. her thoughts on moving the bedroom to the rear
She wants to be clear about the objections
Strickland asked the design review for clarity
Chambers spoke about the heights
She wants to be clear about the objections
Strickland asked the design review for clarity
Chambers spoke about the heights
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Strickland spoke about opinion
Anderson spoke to the defense of Chambers and the lack of the many real estate agents who do not tell the buyers
There needs to be more awareness...
Strickland and Chambers agreed
Yet Chambers said he bought another house
Anderson spoke to the defense of Chambers and the lack of the many real estate agents who do not tell the buyers
There needs to be more awareness...
Strickland and Chambers agreed
Yet Chambers said he bought another house
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This house was 2 minutes away and doesn't have any restrictions
After further discussion about updating the website about the districts in the area.
Strickland asked for a motion
Silence
Strickland asked again
Motion made to approve with conditions
After further discussion about updating the website about the districts in the area.
Strickland asked for a motion
Silence
Strickland asked again
Motion made to approve with conditions
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The chair is not in agreement
Anderson asked for a tabling
And conditions of the colors and materials..
A lot more discussion from the commission on the property that Mr Chambers and his company owns
Revised motion passed
Anderson asked for a tabling
And conditions of the colors and materials..
A lot more discussion from the commission on the property that Mr Chambers and his company owns
Revised motion passed
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Chambers asked about the decision and the added expense of additional drawings etc
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Mr Chambers said he was going to sell the property as is
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This homeowner also said that there was no disclosure about her home either
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Stones from the empty lot are used in the back yard
Renovations occurred in the interior
The house is NOT historical
Renovations occurred in the interior
The house is NOT historical
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The homeowner doesn't have gutters on the back of the house
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More discussion on the Design review and Landmark staffing
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Karl Brunjes spoke to the latitude that could be given but due to the district it has to be Subordinate to the area...
Much more discussion
Much more discussion
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Strickland opened the floor
More discussion on the previous times of consideration
on the siding
Council was in a prior session
Strickland asked about more discussion and questions
Loeser wanted to hear from the other members first
More discussion on the previous times of consideration
on the siding
Council was in a prior session
Strickland asked about more discussion and questions
Loeser wanted to hear from the other members first
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Strickland considers it a new house. He supports the project
Anderson asked about the window on the front and gave her viewpoint.
Her further opinion is she doesn't like the idea of the project..she feels the owner can sell the product in question
Anderson asked about the window on the front and gave her viewpoint.
Her further opinion is she doesn't like the idea of the project..she feels the owner can sell the product in question
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The owner differs in opinion
Regennia Williams gave her viewpoint. She thanked the owner. She made the motion to accept the proposal as presented but no second.. voided
Alternative motion urged by Strickland
Loeser made motion as presented for sides,rear
Regennia Williams gave her viewpoint. She thanked the owner. She made the motion to accept the proposal as presented but no second.. voided
Alternative motion urged by Strickland
Loeser made motion as presented for sides,rear
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Anderson audio issues were persistent
She gave her viewpoint that giving the applicants options to find a buyer for the hardie siding might not be a good idea
Williams asked for clarity on the point
She gave her viewpoint that giving the applicants options to find a buyer for the hardie siding might not be a good idea
Williams asked for clarity on the point
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Loeser clarified that the owner should show proof that she tried to sell it.. motion passed after much more discussion about the contractors helping
Motion passed
Motion passed
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This is a demolition project
Jen Arbuckle is a presenter
And wants instructions on how to present
There's audio issues
Jen Arbuckle is a presenter
And wants instructions on how to present
There's audio issues
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They presented the buildings that surround the house scheduled for demolition
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Among the older pictures these were moved from a location on Woodland Avenue
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Each room has a view of the lake there's a community room that will accommodate 100
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There's administration and cafeteria areas in the structure
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Cuyahoga county has an interest Trevor Hunt spoke about their involvement
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Question and comments
Strickland likes the site
Design and scale of the project proposed
Loeser echoed and had questions about replacing the current structure
There will be 32 residents
Loeser is concerned about trees
Strickland likes the site
Design and scale of the project proposed
Loeser echoed and had questions about replacing the current structure
There will be 32 residents
Loeser is concerned about trees
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He has concerns about parking
And making the area more park like
More discussion on the property shape
And making the area more park like
More discussion on the property shape
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Brunjes asked about the bus service
Bob Phillips-Poina said near the High School
Strickland wants to be sure that the presenter got what guidance they need
History of the previous buildings is advised and suggested
Phillips - Piona said near the lake
Bob Phillips-Poina said near the High School
Strickland wants to be sure that the presenter got what guidance they need
History of the previous buildings is advised and suggested
Phillips - Piona said near the lake
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They seek to be formally appointed
Motion made and passed
Motion made and passed
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They need headshots for the website
A landmark building caught fire
On MilesPark and 91st at the Pentacostal church
The roof has collapsed prior to the structure More talking
Nothing further
This Meeting is adjourned!
A landmark building caught fire
On MilesPark and 91st at the Pentacostal church
The roof has collapsed prior to the structure More talking
Nothing further
This Meeting is adjourned!
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